Godrulz: "I just watched Ann Coulter. I hope I am not perceived as the Ann Coulter of JWN?!"
Oh my God, no! That honor goes to 
Alice in Wonderland. You have a long ways to go God, before you reach sink to their level.
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The Christian Onslaught
by satinka in*sigh* i have been noticing lately there are a number of groups of "christians" signing up as members of this forum, with the obvious agenda of gaining converts for their own cult-like religions.
i have been wondering things like:.
hmmm...maybe i'll try ignoring them.. thank you simon for the space to vent.. satinka.
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How evangelicals and Witnesses are alike
by jgnat inboth believe in the inerrancy of the bible (psalms 12:6, 119:89, proverbs 30:5-6, 2 timothy 3:16-17, 2 peter 1:20-21, rev 22:18-19) and in their absolute correct interpretation.both believe that the other is apostate (2 thessalonians 2:3-4).both believe that the others doctrine is influenced by the devil (genesis 3:1-15, john 8:44).both believe the other is condemned for their false beliefs (2 peter 2:1-3, 1 timothy 4:1-3, 2 timothy 2:16-19, hebrews 6:4-8).neither would darken the door of the others sanctuary, for fear of contamination.both would avoid casual association (proverbs 13:20, 1 corinthians 5:11, 15:33), and certainly would not marry the other (2 corinthians 6:14).both believe that armageddon is imminent and look forward to the purified world afterwards.both consider that the highest form of charity is to convert another.
practical works like feeding the poor are considered inferior.more?
can we make it a dozen (a more perfect number)?.
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Godrulz:
"There is a big difference between following YHWH, the Living God, and false idols/gods/demons. Are you using the retarded atheistic Flying Spaghetti Monster argument (it is fallacious that there is the same evidence for God as the FSM)?"
God, I agree with you. I'm a firm believer in the Purple People Eater. It can swallow that flying spaghetti tangle in one slurp.
As for your "me god good-your god bad" belief, one man's god is another man's demon.
As far as YaHoo is concerned, please take a look at this to understand why I find myself more than justified in calling your God a demon:
11 If two men fight together, and the wife of one draws near
to rescue her husband from the hand of the one attacking him,
and puts out her hand and seizes him by the genitals,
12 then you shall cut off her hand; your eye shall not pity her.
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Deuteronomy 25:11,12 -New King James Version
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How evangelicals and Witnesses are alike
by jgnat inboth believe in the inerrancy of the bible (psalms 12:6, 119:89, proverbs 30:5-6, 2 timothy 3:16-17, 2 peter 1:20-21, rev 22:18-19) and in their absolute correct interpretation.both believe that the other is apostate (2 thessalonians 2:3-4).both believe that the others doctrine is influenced by the devil (genesis 3:1-15, john 8:44).both believe the other is condemned for their false beliefs (2 peter 2:1-3, 1 timothy 4:1-3, 2 timothy 2:16-19, hebrews 6:4-8).neither would darken the door of the others sanctuary, for fear of contamination.both would avoid casual association (proverbs 13:20, 1 corinthians 5:11, 15:33), and certainly would not marry the other (2 corinthians 6:14).both believe that armageddon is imminent and look forward to the purified world afterwards.both consider that the highest form of charity is to convert another.
practical works like feeding the poor are considered inferior.more?
can we make it a dozen (a more perfect number)?.
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"Thank you for your sentiments and concern for our welfare because of rejecting your god concept. My hope for you is that you will make it through Ragnarökr. Please, for your sake, do not reject Odin or Thor. In fact, appease them so you can be saved. For if one rejects Odin., et al., - they cannot be saved - sorry. (Of course the gods will be destroyed at Ragnarökr but you could be one of the lucky survivors.)"
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How evangelicals and Witnesses are alike
by jgnat inboth believe in the inerrancy of the bible (psalms 12:6, 119:89, proverbs 30:5-6, 2 timothy 3:16-17, 2 peter 1:20-21, rev 22:18-19) and in their absolute correct interpretation.both believe that the other is apostate (2 thessalonians 2:3-4).both believe that the others doctrine is influenced by the devil (genesis 3:1-15, john 8:44).both believe the other is condemned for their false beliefs (2 peter 2:1-3, 1 timothy 4:1-3, 2 timothy 2:16-19, hebrews 6:4-8).neither would darken the door of the others sanctuary, for fear of contamination.both would avoid casual association (proverbs 13:20, 1 corinthians 5:11, 15:33), and certainly would not marry the other (2 corinthians 6:14).both believe that armageddon is imminent and look forward to the purified world afterwards.both consider that the highest form of charity is to convert another.
practical works like feeding the poor are considered inferior.more?
can we make it a dozen (a more perfect number)?.
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Satinka; Post #241:
If only these religious zealots could see their repulsive
commonality!
Satinka; can turds smell each other?
Godrulz; Post #302:
"Cofty: revelation>reason; men will not apprehend spiritual reality/invisible God with raw reason alone. Christianity is the only rational world view that explains reality."
Godrulz; don't you realize that reason and rational are derived from the same word? How can Christianity be "rational" if "reason" by itself cannot explain the most important element of its religion-that is God?
Godrulz; Post #305:
Godrulz; may I call you God for short? What you are doing is trying to convert people to your way of living. This is what the Jehovah's Witnesses do. It is irrelevant, for this particular point, that whether there is an organization or not.
Deputy Dog; Post #4558:
"I don't know what "evangelical church" you attend or attended, but
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all the ones I've ever attended, agree with the bible. Which teaches
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we are condemned because we are sinners nothing else."
Deputy Dog; it is obvious to anyone who has associated with Pentecostals and Baptists, as I have, that lack of belief in certain doctrines would indicate a lack of salvation. Would you believe that a person who "has accepted Jesus Christ as his Savior" will really be saved if . . .
- He does not believe in the Trinity?
- Or in Hell as a place of eternal torment or alienation from God?
- Believes in spontaneous evolution in which God simply created the raw materials of the Universe and left them alone to spontaneously evolve; without further guidance from the moment of the Big Bang?
- Believes that Jesus came to North America, after his resurrection, in order to convert the native population?
- Doesn't believe himself that these beliefs, just mentioned, have to be accepted in order to be saved?
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How could Gwenn Dreck have missed this!
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They're Muslim, Islamicists out to exterminate the white race!
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The Christian Onslaught
by satinka in*sigh* i have been noticing lately there are a number of groups of "christians" signing up as members of this forum, with the obvious agenda of gaining converts for their own cult-like religions.
i have been wondering things like:.
hmmm...maybe i'll try ignoring them.. thank you simon for the space to vent.. satinka.
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Satinka:
*Sigh* I have been noticing lately there are a number of groups of "Christians" signing up as members of this forum, with the obvious agenda of gaining converts for their own cult-like religions. I have been wondering things like:
Is this karmic? After years of us knocking on doors --- year --- after --- year --- is it now OUR TURN to keep saying "no thanks" --- year --- after --- year --- ?
Perhaps for some, but what about those of us who hated Field Service?
Seriously though; I think in Socio-biological terms and it's my belief that most proselytizing, religious or otherwise, is a form of territorial expansion. It is rooted in the same portion of our psyche that imperialism is.
Upon leaving the jws, many of us are "sensitised" to the "mind-control" that goes on in religion. Sure, they say they love Christ...doesn't everyone? In some shape or form? Why is THEIR Christ the best "ONE" to love?
Why do these "Christians" think we are easy prey to their propaganda? Is it because they know we have a spiritual essence? Some of us by choice --- some of us by force --- find ourselves without a religion? Is it so bad to be without religion? I don't think so. It feels healthy to me.
Many ex-jws are the walking wounded and religion is the cause. Why would these "Christians" think we could be sucked in to religion YET AGAIN?
They don't necessarily think we're all "easy prey" but they must think that some of us are more predisposed to their religion than the general public because of our experiences.
From what I've heard them say, they seem to know that many ex-JWs are turned off by religion and often times Christianity. They know better than to think that all or most of ex-JWs are going to be "saved". However, since they don't know who will be "saved", they will like canvass everyone in sight like salesmen do.
Why do all "Christians" think they are the ONLY AUTHENTIC ones?
Why does anyone think he is more special than others? That's a neuropsychological question. Sorry for the big word.
Like I have stated on other threads, when these super-fine apostle "Christians" pop up on the radar it feels like my ex has popped into my group therapy session. It feels invasive. It feels disrespectful of our healing space. Don't they have any respect? Any boundaries? Apparently not!
That's a rhetorical question. We all know the answer. If they believe that only they have authenticity, as in your last question, then it's obvious that we are inauthentic. Would you respect someone whom you believe is inauthentic?
Personally, I am NOT at all "receptive" to their propaganda. It sounds unbelievably and eerily similar to the JW spiel, which I find repulsive --- rather than attractive. I'm thinking of signing off of the forum forever. I hate being inundated with their propaganda. Maybe it is an over-reaction. Especially in view of the suggestion we are given on dealing with Trolls...the simple step of ignoring them. Yet, it is hard to ignore, because of the buttons that get pushed...
Hmmm...maybe I'll try ignoring them.
You can ignore them, although I realize that just reading the thread title on the topics page can push your buttons. Whatever you do, don't let them push off this thread. As for me, I can't ignore them on certain issues. Also, I like to fight back.
When I fight back it is for moralistic reasons, not for ideological or religious/anti-religious one. You see, as an atheist, I really don't care what you believe in. Go ahead and believe in Fairies for all I care. However, if those "Fairies" start whispering in your ear: "Pssst. You see that guy over there? He's inferior because he doesn't believe in us. He might even die a brutal death if he doesn't start believing", that's when I get pissed. And it gets me in trouble.
Not everyone has the type of personality that will stand up firmly and persistently to these kinds of people. This is the pattern of response that I invariably go through with certain arrogant people.
- First I make a neutral statement in rebuttal to theirs. I often times get responded to. Then, if I phrase my answer precisely and thoroughly with answers to their counterarguments before they make the response. Then the discussion goes like this . . .
- Sometimes they don't answer on the second round but often time they do. When they do they go off topic or focus on the most trivial point of my argument and ignore the rest.
- When I give my second response I clarify, repeat, and highlight what they ignored; in essence telling them that they failed to answer my question. I have seen that a poster, by the name of Perry, is like that with posters who respond to him. Of course, a lot of posters are that way but Perry is like that to a major degree in the religious field.
- When it's time for them to give their second rebuttal they either fail to respond or engage in more of the usual dodging.
- If it were a purely academic topic I would not care; I would simply quit and do something else.
- But often times it's a moral issue of significance to me and their avoiding the implications and consequences of their topic gets me pissed. I interpret their obtuseness and evasiveness as a form of moral turpitude. For example, let's say a poster defends Biblical slavery or child rape and fails to acknowledge the factual and easy to understand points that I made, I interpret that to mean that he is the type of person who would go along with those abominations if it were convenient.
- I become savage at that point, blasting them with my sarcasm blended with both moral indignation as well as the points they were ignoring.
- They then freak out and accuse me of being inflammatory, insulting and deranged. But then, after giving them a chance to reveal their thoughts (by what they say and what they don't say), I see them as the insulting and deranged ones. They may not have made their morally offensive remarks with sarcasm but to me that merely indicates that evil people can utter their abominations in a very mild and polite manner. Such a blasé attitude is as revolting to me as having someone nicely and politely advocating the death penalty for 5 year olds who pluck flowers growing out of sidewalk cracks. (If you think that's an absurd comparison, please read this brief scripture .)
- Finally, it becomes a pissing contest.
- Then Simon gets angry.
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I must say goodbye to you all......
by Mr. Falcon inthe fine spiritual information that i recieved at the convention has made an impact on this bitter heart.
i came to realize that what i thought was logical was nothing more than my imperfect heart seeking to be rebellious.
i was so wrong!
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StandFirm Says The Watchtower Society Has Never Lied!
by LostGeneration incheck it out:.
http://stayawake-standfirm.blogspot.com/2011/04/watchtower-society-has-never-lied.html.
standfirms disclaimer is that the definition of a lie is: "to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive"-emphasis added.. of course, other definitions of lie include: .
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Everything is "Satan" ... Now what?
by roxanesophia infirstly, i'm a study who initially believed every word of the jw's.
figured "no other religion takes the time and effort to help people understand the bible by publishing the watchtower and the other literature" not realizing that all it does is pick and choose scriptures to suit whatever sentence they'd just written, which can be done using any book, not just the bible.
i felt foolish, after that.. .
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"I suffer from social anxiety so the idea of doing the field service has tortured me."
Welcome, Roxane.
I know what it's like to be in field service and suffer an anxiety attack. One night I went out with a friend to a shopping center, at night. We were approaching people getting into or out of their cars in the parking lot. I thought it was the most stupid thing we could do since we were clearly spooking those people who had no idea whether we were out to rob them or not.
These are the very words I expressed my feelings with to my friend; "There's something wrong here". He agreed, but I quickly realized that he was talking about me and he seemed to think that I was actually talking about myself. The Witnesses are just clueless about things.
Soon afterwards, I deliberately got myself into a position where the elders would disfellowship me. It was for a most trivial, so-called apostate opinion.
I suggest that you quickly and cleanly cut off your study without any explanation. Don't even let the study conductor in your house! Don't allow him/her to engage you in any conversation whatsoever or be tempted into 'reasoning' with him/her. All you have to tell them is that you're no longer interested and that you do not want any witnesses to visit or call you. Make the conversation firm and one way-you're talking at, not with, the conductor.
I understand that this approach requires some controlled anger to successfully carry out but it will save you a lot of the grief that will come from multiple run ins from them.
Good luck, Roxane.
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most depressing song ever
by will_the_apostate inwhats the most depressing song you have ever heard?
i would go with either johnny cash - hurt or gary jules-mad world.
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